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“Prejudice is a burden that confuses the past, threatens the future, and renders the present inaccessible.”  ~Maya Angelou

For the 50th episode of The Second Phase Podcast Robyn held a panel discussion with Erica Devose, Jill Jones and Taira Bell. The graphic has a photo of Erica looking up at the camera and smiling while wearing a tan checked blazer and a big chunky necklace, Jill's photo is in the middle and she is wearing a black dress with a swoop neck and high collar and long dangling earrings and Taira is on the far right wearing a black and white plaid blazer, smiling at the camera. Erica and Taira are African American and Jill is white and married to a black man. The three shared their views on racism and prejudice in the US.

50th Episode – An Empowering Conversation about Prejudice

For my 50th episode, I wanted to do something that was enlightening, empowering, and inspiring.  I had to get really vulnerable and admit that there is a lot I don’t know.  I chose to have an uncomfortable conversation, but one that I believe is necessary if we are going to experience positive change towards prejudice and racism.

It’s important to me to make a difference.  I want to understand how we can collectively bridge the gap between whites and blacks.  God gave me this platform and  I want to use it for serving others and making a positive difference.

With that said, I interviewed three women who were willing to be vulnerable with me and have an uncomfortable conversation.   I am grateful for Taira Bell, Jill Jones and Erica Devose for their time, vulnerability, friendship, wisdom, faith, resilience, and strength!

Introduction to The Panelists


Taira Bell

Taira D. Bell is a proud native of New Orleans, LA.  She currently resides in Pennsylvania with her husband and their 3 beautiful and fun-loving children, ages 14, 12, and 10. As a family they love to travel globally, and enjoy taking road trips across North America including Canada, and along the US East and West coasts! Her core beliefs are centered around Faith, Family, and Friends.

She is a senior leader at one of the world’s largest healthcare companies and has held various leadership roles in Supply Chain, Project Management, Procurement, International Operations, Global Brand Protection, and Sales & Logistics. Throughout her career, she has had the opportunity to travel extensively across the US and globally which has influenced her views and experiences in not only racism and social injustices in the US, but challenges that are faced around the world. She has also had the opportunity to live in Puerto Rico and Northwest Arkansas (NWA) for career relocations.

In her spare time, Taira is active in her church and community service efforts in the greater Philadelphia area, New Orleans, and in NWA.  She is also an ambassador for the Women in STEM program and African American affinity group at her job and has a passion for people, leadership, and development.  Over the course of her career, she has also been instrumental in implementing organizational training, education, and awareness for Diversity & Inclusion efforts.

Jill Jones

Jill Jones is the owner and manager of MV (Martha’s Vineyard) Tee Shirts, an apparel and accessories store.

She is a dedicated and active member of her community. Jill has been a member of Jack and Jill of America, Inc., Bucks County, for over 18 years, and has held many leadership roles such as serving on the executive board, Corresponding Secretary, and Chair of numerous committees.  In her role as Education Chair, Jill was responsible for the creation of the Scholarship program for the Chapter. Jill was honored by the other members, being voted as the 2015-2016 Distinguished Mother of the Year, and as the YWCA, Salute to Woman award recipient.

Jill also serves in a leadership role at her church, Central Bucks Christian Fellowship. Creating and planning the yearly Easter Outreach, Community Easter Egg Hunt, which celebrated its 16th annual event this April, is something Jill truly enjoys.

In addition, Jill has a passion for music education and has co-chaired the CBSD Save-the-Music, Basket Bonanza fundraising efforts for the past 8 years. The event has raised over $200,000 for underprivileged school districts.

Jill resides in Doylestown, PA with her husband, BJ, and is the proud mother of four amazing young adults, Tré, Gabrielle, Cameron, and Ben.

Erica Devose

Erica De Vose has a Master’s degree in Educational Leadership. She has been an elementary school teacher for twenty-three years. Locally, she is the Legislative Chairperson for the North Penn Education Association. Statewide she passionately presents leadership workshops for the Pennsylvania State Education Association.  Erica also serves on the Legislative Committee and Elections and Credentials Committee as the Chairperson.

Modern-Day Experiences with Prejudice and Racism

Each member of the panel has had at least one experience themselves or with one or more of their family members.  The experiences were frightening and disheartening as well as left each individual feeling hurt, angry, and frustrated.

The effects have been lifelong.  Experiences of racism aren’t momentary but everlasting.   They can destroy a person’s sense of worth, ruin chances for careers and life success, and leave emotional scars that may never heal.  Unfortunately, experiences with racism are not a thing of the past, but something that still occurs too frequently.

The N-Word!!!

Robyn asked about the N-Word.  That word has never been used as a positive reference to the African American community but yet, is still used.  Robyn asked for clarification as to why it seems Ok for black singers/songwriters to use the word. It’s very confusing to younger generations who hear the negative connotation being used by African Americans themselves.

The consensus from the panel is that the N-Word should never be used, period.  Not even in music by fellow African Americans.

Appropriate Descriptions

People are often confused about which term is appropriate when referring to African American people.

  1. People of Color – A reference for all people of brown or black skin – various ethnic groups such as Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, etc., not only black or African American people
  2. Black – preferred by some people who are not of African descent
  3. African American – preferred by the panelists and the most appropriate for the majority
  4. Negro – only slightly better than the N-Word and the N-Word with an “A” on the end should not be used as an alternative to the N-Word.


African American women live with fear.  Fear for their children and fear for male relatives.   White women may worry, but we don’t live in fear when our loved ones leave the house.

The fear is deeply rooted in centuries of experiences of African American men being falsely accused and convicted for crimes they didn’t commit.   One in three black men is imprisoned compared to 1 in 17 white men.

Prejudice is a major driver in the fear that has been deep-rooted since slavery and the Jim Crow laws.   One would think that racism, prejudice, cruelty, and lack of humanity would have improved over the past 400 years, but it hasn’t.   There have been times of growth and positive movement for the advancement of the African American population in the US.  However, they have been set back by the government or other organizations halting progress.

The Media’s Impact on Prejudice, Bias, and Racism

Perhaps there have been some advantages of the media sharing stories recently.   People have been more attentive because of the pandemic, but the reality is that the majority of the news has always focused heavily on the negative.

Peaceful protests, which can be so powerful for informing others about a cause or movement, aren’t reported on, but the brutality of riots is shown 24/7.   This leads to further bias.  The media can be a powerful resource for change, but it needs to be done in a way that showcases the good in addition to the bad.

History of Prejudice and Racism

History does repeat itself.  There are times when history isn’t history, but an experience that just lives on.   We aren’t taught limited amounts of African American history in school.   As a result, we lack knowledge and understanding of the root of prejudice and racism.  Without knowledge, we can’t understand the long-lasting effects of slavery and the Jim Crow laws.

In addition, because of a lack of understanding people are afraid and not willing to have uncomfortable conversations.   Discussing prejudice and racism will educate and empower change. It will also help ease the negative effects history has had on the African American people and encourage progress.

As Female Leaders

How can we as female leaders in our communities, workplaces, churches, and schools work to promote equality and abolish racism?  It starts with having uncomfortable conversations, like this one, and sharing the answers.  If we start to work together and take opportunities to mentor younger generations, we will empower them to have a stronger, more peaceful future and open doors for humanity and success.

To learn more about your host, Robyn Graham, click HERE.





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